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Spazzer · Sep 13, 2007, 02:59 AM // 02:59

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Originally Posted by Tahlia Tane

During GW:EN's development, most of ArenaNet was already working on Guild Wars 2, which is why GW:EN is so underwhelming.

I get the impression here that I'm the only one who spent my own money on a product.

I paid $40 for this expansion. Emphasis on "this".

jrk247 · Sep 13, 2007, 03:01 AM // 03:01

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Originally Posted by Sniper22

Actually its one of the worst quotes and not quite thought out. Do you know how much confusion that would cause? You just get used the the pve descriptions then you go to pvp and find out that all the skills suck and then you will have to get used the pvp descriptions and its really just a mess. Seriously, pvp nerfs didn't ruin pve at all lol. Pve is still easy even with the slightly weakened skills. But guys, wait till gw2 comes out and then decide lol, you can't have your whole video game future planned out.

Or they could have 2 different game types, PvE and PvP and the leave the PvE skills alone and balance (nerf/buff) only the skills on the PvP side of the game. Try using your head before attempting to flame others.

Kthx.

Shyft the Pyro · Sep 13, 2007, 03:07 AM // 03:07

One word: Fallout. When #3 hits in 08, I expect it to consume what little remains of my life.

GW2, on the other hand...

I'd like to say it will take a lot for ANet to get me to buy it, but even that might not be true. I'm playing the grind game like a good little customer right now, but only because I loved Prophecies, like the OP, and because I have a bit of an obsessive-compulsive side. (gotta complete! gotta complete! can't leave things unfinished!) But the grind does grate on me - I don't play nearly as much any more - and that, coupled with the Hall of Monuments and the GWEN PR fiasco, has made me even more cynical about the possibilities.

Even if I'm promised mountains of gold in GW2 for linking my GW account, I might just skip it.

Spazzer · Sep 13, 2007, 03:10 AM // 03:10

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Originally Posted by jrk247

Or they could have 2 different game types, PvE and PvP and the leave the PvE skills alone and balance (nerf/buff) only the skills on the PvP side of the game. Try using your head before attempting to flame others.

Kthx.

That would ruin the whole tutorial aspect of PvE.

Targren · Sep 13, 2007, 03:12 AM // 03:12

Meh. I probably won't bother. I don't have a lot of hope for GW2.

"Casual PvP tied to PvE" + "Persistant Explorable areas": Does anyone else think that's going to end up meaning world-pve? Just what we need, a WoW/UO style gankfest when we're trying to play the game.

They also seem to have given up their "no-grind" mentality since NF. I'm not even talking about the faction points, but in Proph I noticed a distinct (and pleasant) lack of quests that tell you to "bring me 15 scales off a dragon's ass" and other such silliness that necessitate grinding the same monsters over and over (combined with loot scaling no less. Yeah, epic win, that.)

Not much faith to be had in their "difficulty scaling", either, that's supposed to let you play solo, given Anet's history of heavy-handedness is trying to 'encourage' group play.

wilebill · Sep 13, 2007, 03:13 AM // 03:13

StarCraft 2 is estimated September of 2008 by some sites. However, one of the Blizz execs said in an interview it would not be released in 2008. SC2 is a long long way off ... if ever. StarCraft Ghost was never released after an enormous amount of development and hype.

Yes, GW2. Obviously. Of course!

Cacheelma · Sep 13, 2007, 03:33 AM // 03:33

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Originally Posted by lyra_song

ill be buying. pftt..its a one time cheap investment

Yeah, I wish.

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Originally Posted by Tahlia Tane

Guild Wars 2 will be extremely different from GW1.

Am I supposed to feel better by that? I bought GW because I wanted to play GW, not because I wanted to play something extremely different.

WoW is extremely different from GW1 too, in case you don't know.

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Originally Posted by Tahlia Tane

During GW:EN's development, most of ArenaNet was already working on Guild Wars 2, which is why GW:EN is so underwhelming.

You think? Although it's very obvious, how do you even know if this is true?

Even if this is true, it's a little sad that they released some half-baked game simply because they're focusing on something else. What kind of BAD excuse is that, anyway? And if that is something well-known to the public, do you think people would buy GWEN if they know?

CyberNigma · Sep 13, 2007, 03:46 AM // 03:46

Whether or not you buy GW2, I think an important thing to consider is this:

I "enjoyed/didn't enjoy" Guild Wars and so I'm "going to/not going to" buy Guild Wars 2 in the future.

doesn't make a whole lot of sense because they are two games (1 incomplete).... BUT, a good statement would be

I "enjoyed/didn't enjoy" ArenaNet's game and so I'm "going to/not going to" buy ArenaNet's next game.

This removes emphasis of what the game is and puts it on who the developer is. I think this, for many people is much easier to answer, based on how they feel about ArenaNet.

I bought GW:EN because I had already invested in Guild Wars (1CE, 2CE, 3CE, slots, GotY upgrade) and felt it wouldn't make sense not to buy the last expansion (not being technical I know it's the only technical expansion) they made for it. I don't plan on doing that (and didn't prior to getting GW:EN) with GW2. I will continue to play GW every now and then though. After all, I already invested in it.

Phaern Majes · Sep 13, 2007, 04:42 AM // 04:42

I'll buy GW2 if it has an auction house...no auction house = no dice.

Seriously though I won't know until it comes out and then it depends on what else is out there to play as well.

Lonesamurai · Sep 13, 2007, 06:01 AM // 06:01

Heh, this thread makes kitty sad...

Apart from those lil gems here of people realising that its going to be a different game, with roots in the first, or that its a wasted conversation due to the 2 year away release, etc, this thread has surprised me by making it to 3 pages... Are the mods not caring anymore?

To those not buying something thats due for release in 2 years... Cya

To those that are waiting to see what ANet do with their time... Well done and probably the best bet

To those definately buying it... Cool well done

Personally, i'm not going to be in any of these camps, its more than 50% likely that I'll get it, but hell, i could be dead in two years, so who knows and in all honesty? Look at now, not what the future holds...

Looking to the future sometimes makes you miss the crack that will trip you in your path to that future...

(In other words, leave it in the future and lets talk about it nearer the time when we have more news)

artay · Sep 13, 2007, 06:03 AM // 06:03

I may as well pick gw2 up. No monthly fee, so its only a small price to play to see if it's any good.

Superdarth · Sep 13, 2007, 06:45 AM // 06:45

Il probably buy it.

Now i must say i dont think anyone here can say Guild Wars 2 will be bad and that they wont buy it because of that. You dont know, i dont know. Hell, A-Net dousnt even know. Why are you complaining about a product that isnt even finished yet?

If i look at all 3 expansions i cant say any of them truly sucked, and i dont think that the expansions or the game got worse, but the players did. As time passed more and more did they start complaining about things to the point where we are now, where i see people causing a storm about the tiniest mistake or lack of perfection in the game.

Guild Wars didnt get bad, the players just became such critics pleasing them all is impossible.

glountz · Sep 13, 2007, 06:49 AM // 06:49

Considering that:
- I've done a lot in GW1 and wont be able to transfer anything I've done to GW2
- GW2 will have the same global lore than GW1
- That GW1 became Grind Wars (PVE), Build Wars (PvP), or Lag Wars (Bad routing) as it was developped and that GW2 will be further in this direction (as shown by GWEN's release).
- The classes mechanics/main spells probably won't be new

I will probably not buy GW2. The fact is that I have absolutely no incentive for that. If GW2 was only a new chapter from GW1, paradoxally, I would have bought it. But as I will have to unlock/grind from the very beginning everything and that I have really no time or that, I will stay on GW1 til they close the servers then change for a completely different game.

Lonesamurai · Sep 13, 2007, 07:40 AM // 07:40

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Originally Posted by glountz

Considering that:
- I've done a lot in GW1 and wont be able to transfer anything I've done to GW2
- GW2 will have the same global lore than GW1
- That GW1 became Grind Wars (PVE), Build Wars (PvP), or Lag Wars (Bad routing) as it was developped and that GW2 will be further in this direction (as shown by GWEN's release).
- The classes mechanics/main spells probably won't be new

I will probably not buy GW2. The fact is that I have absolutely no incentive for that. If GW2 was only a new chapter from GW1, paradoxally, I would have bought it. But as I will have to unlock/grind from the very beginning everything and that I have really no time or that, I will stay on GW1 til they close the servers then change for a completely different game.

And this post alone completely flies in the face of every reason ANet gave us for ditching GW1 and starting GW2 in the first place...

As they said, they can't do what they or the players wanted (Auction house, etc), so they are going back to the start and making GW2...

Ok, they also said it won't have everything, but from the vision they portrayed it will have the PvP that the PvP'ers wanted and very likely UAS from the sounds of it and the persistant world, grindable PvE that the PvE'ers want and yes, the majority want grind of some form or another...

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Originally Posted by jrk247

Or they could have 2 different game types, PvE and PvP and the leave the PvE skills alone and balance (nerf/buff) only the skills on the PvP side of the game. Try using your head before attempting to flame others.

Kthx.

Thats been stated many times that that can't feasibly happen, not without having two separate games...

Guild Wars has always (bar a couple of heavy farm nerfs, which was fair enough) always been balanced around PvP and this is done for a reason... The mobs in PvE get nerfed just like your build does, they use the same skills as you do and PvE rarely in an MMO shows issues with skill balance the same way PvP does and this has been the case for most MMO's since the dawn of the MMO age and isn't likely to change any time soon

Tijger · Sep 13, 2007, 07:56 AM // 07:56

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Originally Posted by Havre Fras

Probobly won't be buying. I'll most likely have Wrath of the Lich King and the (possible) next WoW expansion by then.

Why can't they just stick to GW1 instead? Honestly...

Because unlike some gaming companies they feel once a story is done its done? Or perhaps they feel the engine has maxed out its potential? You're right though, you'll be trying to get to level 100 in WoW by then and continue being milked by Blizzard

Surena · Sep 13, 2007, 08:14 AM // 08:14

GW's engine is very outdated, it's really time for a serious upgrade, especially with options for those who use high-end hardware, plus the business model needs to survive and be more attractive versus all the other upcoming rivals.

I don't think it's bad not being able to move existing characters over. Some people, I fear, have not recognized yet that investing time into a game or characters should reward fun and not turn out into a serious emotionally-attached lifelong commitment.

Lonesamurai · Sep 13, 2007, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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Originally Posted by Surena

GW's engine is very outdated, it's really time for a serious upgrade, especially with options for those who use high-end hardware, plus the business model needs to survive and be more attractive versus all the other upcoming rivals.

I don't think it's bad not being able to move existing characters over. Some people, I fear, have not recognized yet that investing time into a game or characters should reward fun and not turn out into a serious emotionally-attached lifelong commitment.

But you forget, Roleplay is for life, not just for christmas...

Longasc · Sep 13, 2007, 08:25 AM // 08:25

I think matters of this importance must be discussed with your significant other.

After all, if you insist on playing GW2, you should be sincere and prepare yourself the next 1-2 years for the day of judgement ... erm release.

You must ask yourself: What do I expect from the game? How will it affect my life? Will it be good karma? Would Jesus play GW2, and if he would, should I play GW2, too?

We must also be strong in our beliefs and search the bible for answers regarding the question if the "child" GW2 can be made responsible for the sins of their creators, things they did wrong with the elder child.

I do not take this lightly and will seek spiritual counsel before making up my mind. I also think this should not be discussed on public forums as it is a very personal, individual and important decision.

Vanquisher · Sep 13, 2007, 08:28 AM // 08:28

The removal of click to move is a bad idea ;(

Marth Reynolds · Sep 13, 2007, 08:32 AM // 08:32

Depends on secret world and AION and wether they'll cost money to play.

but when secret world comes out i will be playing it ^^